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Subject: Re: Immortal game? Qc7?! analyse by S8 (Be7!)

Author: Vincent Lejeune

Date: 14:35:21 11/07/04

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On November 07, 2004 at 06:26:53, Vincent Lejeune wrote:

>On November 07, 2004 at 05:52:19, Ed Schröder wrote:
>
>>On November 07, 2004 at 05:35:11, Vincent Lejeune wrote:
>>
>>>On November 07, 2004 at 05:23:27, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>>...
>>>>Position after 10..cxd4, move to find 11.h5!!
>>>>
>>>>[d]rnbq1rk1/pp1n1p1p/4p1p1/3pP1NP/1b3P2/1PpB4/P1P3P1/R1BQK2R b KQ - bm Qc7;
>>>>
>>>>12..Qc7 looks like a smart defence (see the game) but is it really the best
>>>>move? Else I think the rest is forced. I think this is the critical position.
>>>>
>>>
>>>S8 doesn't like Qc7 quickly. 3 best moves after 4 min @3000+
>>>
>>>Analysis by Shredder 8:
>>>
>>>1. -+ (-1.70): 12...Fe7 13.Cxh7 g5
>>>2. = (-0.12): 12...Cc5 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 Cxd3+ 15.Dxd3 Rg7 16.Cxf8 Dxf8 17.g4
>>>Fd7 18.Fe3 Cc6 19.0-0-0
>>>3. = (0.09): 12...Cc6 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 De7 15.Fxg6 Dg7 16.Dh5 Td8 17.Ff7+
>>>Dxf7 18.Dg4+ Dg7 19.Dxe6+ Df7 20.Dg4+ Dg7 21.De6+ Df7 22.Dg4+ Dg7 23.De6+ Df7
>>
>>
>>After 12..Be7 PD gives a +2 score for itself.
>>
>> [Event "?"]
>> [Site "?"]
>> [Date "2004.11.07"]
>> [White "?"]
>> [Black "?"]
>> [Result "*"]
>>
>> 1.d4 Nf6 2.f3 d5 3.Nc3 c6 4.e4 e6 5.e5 Nfd7 6.f4 Bb4 7.Nf3 O-O 8.Bd3
>> c5 9.Ng5 g6 10.h4 cxd4 11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Be7
>>
>> rnbq1rk1/pp1nbp1p/4p1p1/3pP1NP/5P2/1PpB4/P1P3P1/R1BQK2R w KQ -
>>
>> 00:00:00   1.00  -2.76  13.hxg6 hxg6
>> 00:00:00   2.00  -2.82  13.hxg6 hxg6 14.Qg4
>> 00:00:00   3.00  -3.02  13.hxg6 hxg6 14.Qg4 Nc6
>> 00:00:00   4.00  -3.11  13.hxg6 hxg6 14.Nf3 Qb6 15.a4
>> 00:00:00   5.00  -3.28  13.hxg6 hxg6 14.Qe2 Bxg5 15.fxg5 Nc6 16.Ba3
>> 00:00:00   6.00  -3.16  13.hxg6 hxg6 14.Bxg6 fxg6 15.Nxe6 Bh4 16.Ke2
>>                         Qe7 17.Nxf8
>> 00:00:00   6.22  -3.16  13.Nxh7
>> 00:00:00   6.22  -2.52  13.Nxh7 Bh4 14.Kf1 Kxh7 15.hxg6 Kg7 16.gxf7
>>                         Rh8
>> 00:00:00   7.00  -2.37  13.Nxh7 Bh4 14.Kf1 Kxh7 15.hxg6 Kg7 16.gxf7
>>                         Nxe5 17.fxe5 Rxf7 18.Kg1 Bf2 19.Kf1
>> 00:00:01   8.00  -2.37  13.Nxh7 Bh4 14.Kf1 Kxh7 15.hxg6 Kg7 16.gxf7
>>                         Nxe5 17.fxe5 Rxf7 18.Kg1 Bf2 19.Kf1
>> 00:00:03   9.00  -1.24  13.Nxh7 Bh4 14.Kf1 Kxh7 15.Qg4 Kg8 16.Rxh4
>>                         g5 17.Ba3
>> 00:00:05   9.01  -1.24  13.hxg6
>> 00:00:08   9.01  -0.47  13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Bxg6 Bxg5 15.Bxh7 Kg7 16.fxg5
>>                         Nxe5 17.Qh5
>> 00:00:32  10.00  0.74  13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Bxg6 hxg6 15.Qd3 Nxe5 16.fxe5
>>                        Rf5 17.Rh8 Kg7 18.Rxd8
>> 00:00:40  11.00  0.74  13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Bxg6 hxg6 15.Qd3 Nxe5 16.fxe5
>>                        Rf5 17.Rh8 Kg7 18.Rxd8
>> 00:03:53  12.00  1.92  13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Bxg6 hxg6 15.Qd3 Nxe5 16.fxe5
>>                        Rf5 17.Qh3 Rf1 18.Kxf1 Qf8 19.Kg1 Qg7
>>
>>Ed
>
>ok, In fact shredder find this too ... I'm blaming the n-best moves mode of
>shredder.
>I'll let S8 think for more than 10h (i'm going to the belgian interclub now)

your sac seems ok, after 10h, s8 give +1.22 to white !!

rnbq1rk1/pp1n1p1p/4p1p1/3pP1NP/1b3P2/1PpB4/P1P3P1/R1BQK2R b KQ - 0 1

Analysis by Shredder 8:
...
  =  (0.06)   Profondeur: 15/40   00:00:47  17320kN
12...Cxe5 13.fxe5 Dc7 14.De2 f6 15.hxg6 fxg5 16.Txh7 Cd7 17.Th8+ Rg7 18.Th7+ Rg8
19.Th8+ Rg7 20.Th7+ Rg8 21.Th8+
  =  (0.06)   Profondeur: 16/47   00:01:48  42098kN
12...Cxe5 13.fxe5 Dc7 14.De2 f6 15.hxg6 fxg5 16.Txh7 Cd7 17.Fa3 Fxa3 18.Th8+ Rg7
19.Th7+ Rg8 20.Th8+ Rg7 21.Th7+ Rg8 22.Th8+
  =  (0.07)   Profondeur: 17/50   00:04:41  110953kN
12...Cxe5 13.fxe5 Dc7 14.De2 f6 15.hxg6 fxg5 16.Txh7 Cd7 17.Fa3 Fxa3 18.Th8+ Rg7
19.Th7+ Rg8 20.Th8+ Rg7 21.Th7+ Rg8 22.Th8+
  =  (0.07)   Profondeur: 18/54   00:11:38  279242kN
12...Cxe5 13.fxe5 Dc7 14.De2 f6 15.hxg6 fxg5 16.Txh7 Cd7 17.g7 Tf4 18.Fxf4 gxf4
19.Dg4 Dxe5+ 20.Rd1 Dh5 21.Txh5 Cf6 22.Dxf4 e5 23.Dxf6 Fg4+ 24.Df3 Ff5
  ²  (0.32)   Profondeur: 19/54   00:21:49  522733kN
12...Cxe5 13.fxe5 Dc7 14.De2 f6 15.hxg6 fxg5 16.Txh7 Cd7 17.g7 Tf4 18.Fxf4 gxf4
19.Dg4 Dxe5+ 20.Rd1 Dh5 21.Txh5 Cf6 22.Dxf4 e5 23.Dxf6 Fg4+ 24.Df3 Fc8
  ±  (0.82)   Profondeur: 19/54   00:23:02  551738kN
12...Cxe5 13.fxe5 Dc7 14.De2 Cc6 15.Cxh7 Dxe5 16.Cxf8 Fxf8 17.hxg6 fxg6 18.Fh6
Fd7
  ±  (1.07)   Profondeur: 19/60   00:31:20  761798kN
12...Cc6 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 De7 15.Fxg6 Dg7 16.Cxf8 Cxf8 17.Dxd5
  ±  (1.06)   Profondeur: 19/60   00:40:40  987714kN
12...Cc6 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 De7 15.Fxg6 Dg7 16.Cxf8 Cxf8 17.Dxd5 exd5 18.Ff7+
Rxf7 19.Rf2 Cxe5 20.fxe5 Dxe5 21.Rf1
  ±  (0.71)   Profondeur: 19/60   00:45:47  1117037kN
12...Cc6 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 De7 15.Fxg6 Dg7 16.Dg4 Cd4 17.Dh5 Tf5 18.Fxf5 exf5
19.Rf2 Cxc2 20.De8+ Ff8 21.Cg5 Cc5 22.Th7 Ce4+ 23.Rg1 Cxg5 24.Txg7+ Rxg7 25.Tb1
  ²  (0.52)   Profondeur: 19/60   01:20:14  1940966kN
12...Cc5 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 Cxd3+ 15.Dxd3 Rg7 16.Dh3 Rf7 17.Cf6 Tg8 18.Dh7+
Tg7 19.Dxg7+ Rxg7 20.Th7+ Rf8 21.Th8+ Re7 22.Txd8 Rxd8 23.Cxd5 exd5 24.e6
  ²  (0.51)   Profondeur: 19/60   01:27:46  2114377kN
12...Cc5 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 Cxd3+ 15.Dxd3 Rg7 16.Dh3 Rf7 17.Cf6 Tg8 18.Dh7+
Tg7 19.Dxg7+ Rxg7 20.Th7+ Rf8 21.Th8+ Re7 22.Txd8 Rxd8 23.Cxd5 exd5 24.Fa3
  =  (0.16)   Profondeur: 19/60   01:29:38  2159184kN
12...Cc5 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 Cxd3+ 15.Dxd3 Rg7 16.Dh3 Rf7 17.Cf6 Tg8 18.f5 gxf5
19.a3 Fe7 20.Dh7+ Rf8 21.Cxg8
  =  (0.12)   Profondeur: 19/60   01:33:50  2257445kN
12...Cc5 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 Cxd3+ 15.Dxd3 Rg7 16.Dh3 Rf7 17.Cf6 Tg8 18.Dh7+
Tg7 19.Dxg7+ Rxg7 20.Th7+ Rf8 21.f5 g5 22.Fxg5 Dxf6 23.exf6 a5 24.fxe6 Cc6
  ²  (0.37)   Profondeur: 20/53   01:59:17  2833834kN
12...Cc5 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 Cxd3+ 15.Dxd3 Rg7 16.Dh3 Rf7 17.Cf6 Tg8 18.Dh7+
Tg7 19.Dxg7+ Rxg7 20.Th7+ Rf8 21.f5 g5 22.Fxg5 Dxf6 23.exf6 exf5 24.Th8+ Rf7
25.Txc8 Cc6
  ±  (0.87)   Profondeur: 20/53   02:04:38  2958319kN
12...Cc5 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 De8 15.Cxf8 Cxd3+ 16.Dxd3 Fxf8 17.Dh3 Rf7 18.Dh7+
Fg7 19.Th6 Cc6 20.Fa3 Ce7 21.0-0-0 Df8 22.Rb1 Fd7 23.Fxe7 Dxe7 24.Dxg6+ Rf8
25.Tdh1 Fxh6 26.Dxh6+ Dg7
  +-  (2.87)   Profondeur: 20/58   02:30:42  3584848kN
12...Cc6 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 De7 15.Fxg6 Dg7 16.Dg4 Cd4 17.Dh5
  +-  (2.86)   Profondeur: 20/58   02:36:54  3741939kN
12...Cc6 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 De7 15.Fxg6 Dg7 16.Dg4 Cd4 17.Dh5 Cf5 18.Cg5 Cf6
19.exf6 Txf6 20.Fxf5 exf5 21.De8+ Df8 22.De6+ Fxe6 23.Th8+ Rxh8 24.Cf7+ Dxf7
  +-  (2.51)   Profondeur: 20/59   02:41:59  3876064kN
12...Cc6 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 De7 15.Fxg6 Dg7 16.Dh5 Ce7 17.Fd3 Cf5 18.Th3 Cg3
19.Df3 Cf5 20.Cxf8 Rxf8 21.Fxf5 exf5 22.Dxd5 Re8 23.Td3
  ²  (0.67)   Profondeur: 20/59   03:09:33  4535305kN
12...Cc6 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 De7 15.Fxg6 Dg7 16.Dh5 Ce7 17.Fd3 Cf5 18.Th3 Cg3
19.Df3 Cf5 20.Cxf8 Rxf8 21.Fxf5 exf5 22.Fe3 Dg4 23.Dxd5
  ±  (0.92)   Profondeur: 21/56   04:38:56  6573677kN
12...Cc6 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 De7 15.Fxg6 Dg7 16.Dh5 Ce7 17.Fd3 Cf5 18.Th3 Cg3
19.Df3 Cf5 20.Cxf8 Rxf8 21.Fxf5 exf5 22.Fe3 Fa3
  ±  (0.99)   Profondeur: 21/61   05:11:08  7328048kN
12...Cc6 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 De7 15.Fxg6 Dg7 16.Dh5 Ce7 17.Fd3 Cf5 18.Th3 Cg3
19.Df3 Cf5 20.Cxf8 Rxf8 21.Fxf5 exf5 22.Fe3 Cb6 23.Fxb6 axb6 24.Dxd5 Fe7 25.Txc3
  ±  (1.22)   Profondeur: 22/63   09:44:57  13620417kN

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