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Subject: Re: Immortal game? Qc7?! analyse by S8 (Be7!)

Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 04:31:24 11/08/04

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On November 07, 2004 at 17:35:21, Vincent Lejeune wrote:

>On November 07, 2004 at 06:26:53, Vincent Lejeune wrote:
>
>>On November 07, 2004 at 05:52:19, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>
>>>On November 07, 2004 at 05:35:11, Vincent Lejeune wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 07, 2004 at 05:23:27, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>>>...
>>>>>Position after 10..cxd4, move to find 11.h5!!
>>>>>
>>>>>[d]rnbq1rk1/pp1n1p1p/4p1p1/3pP1NP/1b3P2/1PpB4/P1P3P1/R1BQK2R b KQ - bm Qc7;
>>>>>
>>>>>12..Qc7 looks like a smart defence (see the game) but is it really the best
>>>>>move? Else I think the rest is forced. I think this is the critical position.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>S8 doesn't like Qc7 quickly. 3 best moves after 4 min @3000+
>>>>
>>>>Analysis by Shredder 8:
>>>>
>>>>1. -+ (-1.70): 12...Fe7 13.Cxh7 g5
>>>>2. = (-0.12): 12...Cc5 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 Cxd3+ 15.Dxd3 Rg7 16.Cxf8 Dxf8 17.g4
>>>>Fd7 18.Fe3 Cc6 19.0-0-0
>>>>3. = (0.09): 12...Cc6 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 De7 15.Fxg6 Dg7 16.Dh5 Td8 17.Ff7+
>>>>Dxf7 18.Dg4+ Dg7 19.Dxe6+ Df7 20.Dg4+ Dg7 21.De6+ Df7 22.Dg4+ Dg7 23.De6+ Df7
>>>
>>>
>>>After 12..Be7 PD gives a +2 score for itself.
>>>
>>> [Event "?"]
>>> [Site "?"]
>>> [Date "2004.11.07"]
>>> [White "?"]
>>> [Black "?"]
>>> [Result "*"]
>>>
>>> 1.d4 Nf6 2.f3 d5 3.Nc3 c6 4.e4 e6 5.e5 Nfd7 6.f4 Bb4 7.Nf3 O-O 8.Bd3
>>> c5 9.Ng5 g6 10.h4 cxd4 11.h5 dxc3 12.b3 Be7
>>>
>>> rnbq1rk1/pp1nbp1p/4p1p1/3pP1NP/5P2/1PpB4/P1P3P1/R1BQK2R w KQ -
>>>
>>> 00:00:00   1.00  -2.76  13.hxg6 hxg6
>>> 00:00:00   2.00  -2.82  13.hxg6 hxg6 14.Qg4
>>> 00:00:00   3.00  -3.02  13.hxg6 hxg6 14.Qg4 Nc6
>>> 00:00:00   4.00  -3.11  13.hxg6 hxg6 14.Nf3 Qb6 15.a4
>>> 00:00:00   5.00  -3.28  13.hxg6 hxg6 14.Qe2 Bxg5 15.fxg5 Nc6 16.Ba3
>>> 00:00:00   6.00  -3.16  13.hxg6 hxg6 14.Bxg6 fxg6 15.Nxe6 Bh4 16.Ke2
>>>                         Qe7 17.Nxf8
>>> 00:00:00   6.22  -3.16  13.Nxh7
>>> 00:00:00   6.22  -2.52  13.Nxh7 Bh4 14.Kf1 Kxh7 15.hxg6 Kg7 16.gxf7
>>>                         Rh8
>>> 00:00:00   7.00  -2.37  13.Nxh7 Bh4 14.Kf1 Kxh7 15.hxg6 Kg7 16.gxf7
>>>                         Nxe5 17.fxe5 Rxf7 18.Kg1 Bf2 19.Kf1
>>> 00:00:01   8.00  -2.37  13.Nxh7 Bh4 14.Kf1 Kxh7 15.hxg6 Kg7 16.gxf7
>>>                         Nxe5 17.fxe5 Rxf7 18.Kg1 Bf2 19.Kf1
>>> 00:00:03   9.00  -1.24  13.Nxh7 Bh4 14.Kf1 Kxh7 15.Qg4 Kg8 16.Rxh4
>>>                         g5 17.Ba3
>>> 00:00:05   9.01  -1.24  13.hxg6
>>> 00:00:08   9.01  -0.47  13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Bxg6 Bxg5 15.Bxh7 Kg7 16.fxg5
>>>                         Nxe5 17.Qh5
>>> 00:00:32  10.00  0.74  13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Bxg6 hxg6 15.Qd3 Nxe5 16.fxe5
>>>                        Rf5 17.Rh8 Kg7 18.Rxd8
>>> 00:00:40  11.00  0.74  13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Bxg6 hxg6 15.Qd3 Nxe5 16.fxe5
>>>                        Rf5 17.Rh8 Kg7 18.Rxd8
>>> 00:03:53  12.00  1.92  13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Bxg6 hxg6 15.Qd3 Nxe5 16.fxe5
>>>                        Rf5 17.Qh3 Rf1 18.Kxf1 Qf8 19.Kg1 Qg7
>>>
>>>Ed
>>
>>ok, In fact shredder find this too ... I'm blaming the n-best moves mode of
>>shredder.
>>I'll let S8 think for more than 10h (i'm going to the belgian interclub now)
>
>your sac seems ok, after 10h, s8 give +1.22 to white !!
>
>rnbq1rk1/pp1n1p1p/4p1p1/3pP1NP/1b3P2/1PpB4/P1P3P1/R1BQK2R b KQ - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Shredder 8:
>...
>  =  (0.06)   Profondeur: 15/40   00:00:47  17320kN
>12...Cxe5 13.fxe5 Dc7 14.De2 f6 15.hxg6 fxg5 16.Txh7 Cd7 17.Th8+ Rg7 18.Th7+ Rg8
>19.Th8+ Rg7 20.Th7+ Rg8 21.Th8+
>  =  (0.06)   Profondeur: 16/47   00:01:48  42098kN
>12...Cxe5 13.fxe5 Dc7 14.De2 f6 15.hxg6 fxg5 16.Txh7 Cd7 17.Fa3 Fxa3 18.Th8+ Rg7
>19.Th7+ Rg8 20.Th8+ Rg7 21.Th7+ Rg8 22.Th8+
>  =  (0.07)   Profondeur: 17/50   00:04:41  110953kN
>12...Cxe5 13.fxe5 Dc7 14.De2 f6 15.hxg6 fxg5 16.Txh7 Cd7 17.Fa3 Fxa3 18.Th8+ Rg7
>19.Th7+ Rg8 20.Th8+ Rg7 21.Th7+ Rg8 22.Th8+
>  =  (0.07)   Profondeur: 18/54   00:11:38  279242kN
>12...Cxe5 13.fxe5 Dc7 14.De2 f6 15.hxg6 fxg5 16.Txh7 Cd7 17.g7 Tf4 18.Fxf4 gxf4
>19.Dg4 Dxe5+ 20.Rd1 Dh5 21.Txh5 Cf6 22.Dxf4 e5 23.Dxf6 Fg4+ 24.Df3 Ff5
>  ²  (0.32)   Profondeur: 19/54   00:21:49  522733kN
>12...Cxe5 13.fxe5 Dc7 14.De2 f6 15.hxg6 fxg5 16.Txh7 Cd7 17.g7 Tf4 18.Fxf4 gxf4
>19.Dg4 Dxe5+ 20.Rd1 Dh5 21.Txh5 Cf6 22.Dxf4 e5 23.Dxf6 Fg4+ 24.Df3 Fc8
>  ±  (0.82)   Profondeur: 19/54   00:23:02  551738kN
>12...Cxe5 13.fxe5 Dc7 14.De2 Cc6 15.Cxh7 Dxe5 16.Cxf8 Fxf8 17.hxg6 fxg6 18.Fh6
>Fd7
>  ±  (1.07)   Profondeur: 19/60   00:31:20  761798kN
>12...Cc6 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 De7 15.Fxg6 Dg7 16.Cxf8 Cxf8 17.Dxd5
>  ±  (1.06)   Profondeur: 19/60   00:40:40  987714kN
>12...Cc6 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 De7 15.Fxg6 Dg7 16.Cxf8 Cxf8 17.Dxd5 exd5 18.Ff7+
>Rxf7 19.Rf2 Cxe5 20.fxe5 Dxe5 21.Rf1
>  ±  (0.71)   Profondeur: 19/60   00:45:47  1117037kN
>12...Cc6 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 De7 15.Fxg6 Dg7 16.Dg4 Cd4 17.Dh5 Tf5 18.Fxf5 exf5
>19.Rf2 Cxc2 20.De8+ Ff8 21.Cg5 Cc5 22.Th7 Ce4+ 23.Rg1 Cxg5 24.Txg7+ Rxg7 25.Tb1
>  ²  (0.52)   Profondeur: 19/60   01:20:14  1940966kN
>12...Cc5 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 Cxd3+ 15.Dxd3 Rg7 16.Dh3 Rf7 17.Cf6 Tg8 18.Dh7+
>Tg7 19.Dxg7+ Rxg7 20.Th7+ Rf8 21.Th8+ Re7 22.Txd8 Rxd8 23.Cxd5 exd5 24.e6
>  ²  (0.51)   Profondeur: 19/60   01:27:46  2114377kN
>12...Cc5 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 Cxd3+ 15.Dxd3 Rg7 16.Dh3 Rf7 17.Cf6 Tg8 18.Dh7+
>Tg7 19.Dxg7+ Rxg7 20.Th7+ Rf8 21.Th8+ Re7 22.Txd8 Rxd8 23.Cxd5 exd5 24.Fa3
>  =  (0.16)   Profondeur: 19/60   01:29:38  2159184kN
>12...Cc5 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 Cxd3+ 15.Dxd3 Rg7 16.Dh3 Rf7 17.Cf6 Tg8 18.f5 gxf5
>19.a3 Fe7 20.Dh7+ Rf8 21.Cxg8
>  =  (0.12)   Profondeur: 19/60   01:33:50  2257445kN
>12...Cc5 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 Cxd3+ 15.Dxd3 Rg7 16.Dh3 Rf7 17.Cf6 Tg8 18.Dh7+
>Tg7 19.Dxg7+ Rxg7 20.Th7+ Rf8 21.f5 g5 22.Fxg5 Dxf6 23.exf6 a5 24.fxe6 Cc6
>  ²  (0.37)   Profondeur: 20/53   01:59:17  2833834kN
>12...Cc5 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 Cxd3+ 15.Dxd3 Rg7 16.Dh3 Rf7 17.Cf6 Tg8 18.Dh7+
>Tg7 19.Dxg7+ Rxg7 20.Th7+ Rf8 21.f5 g5 22.Fxg5 Dxf6 23.exf6 exf5 24.Th8+ Rf7
>25.Txc8 Cc6
>  ±  (0.87)   Profondeur: 20/53   02:04:38  2958319kN
>12...Cc5 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 De8 15.Cxf8 Cxd3+ 16.Dxd3 Fxf8 17.Dh3 Rf7 18.Dh7+
>Fg7 19.Th6 Cc6 20.Fa3 Ce7 21.0-0-0 Df8 22.Rb1 Fd7 23.Fxe7 Dxe7 24.Dxg6+ Rf8
>25.Tdh1 Fxh6 26.Dxh6+ Dg7
>  +-  (2.87)   Profondeur: 20/58   02:30:42  3584848kN
>12...Cc6 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 De7 15.Fxg6 Dg7 16.Dg4 Cd4 17.Dh5
>  +-  (2.86)   Profondeur: 20/58   02:36:54  3741939kN
>12...Cc6 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 De7 15.Fxg6 Dg7 16.Dg4 Cd4 17.Dh5 Cf5 18.Cg5 Cf6
>19.exf6 Txf6 20.Fxf5 exf5 21.De8+ Df8 22.De6+ Fxe6 23.Th8+ Rxh8 24.Cf7+ Dxf7
>  +-  (2.51)   Profondeur: 20/59   02:41:59  3876064kN
>12...Cc6 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 De7 15.Fxg6 Dg7 16.Dh5 Ce7 17.Fd3 Cf5 18.Th3 Cg3
>19.Df3 Cf5 20.Cxf8 Rxf8 21.Fxf5 exf5 22.Dxd5 Re8 23.Td3
>  ²  (0.67)   Profondeur: 20/59   03:09:33  4535305kN
>12...Cc6 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 De7 15.Fxg6 Dg7 16.Dh5 Ce7 17.Fd3 Cf5 18.Th3 Cg3
>19.Df3 Cf5 20.Cxf8 Rxf8 21.Fxf5 exf5 22.Fe3 Dg4 23.Dxd5
>  ±  (0.92)   Profondeur: 21/56   04:38:56  6573677kN
>12...Cc6 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 De7 15.Fxg6 Dg7 16.Dh5 Ce7 17.Fd3 Cf5 18.Th3 Cg3
>19.Df3 Cf5 20.Cxf8 Rxf8 21.Fxf5 exf5 22.Fe3 Fa3
>  ±  (0.99)   Profondeur: 21/61   05:11:08  7328048kN
>12...Cc6 13.hxg6 fxg6 14.Cxh7 De7 15.Fxg6 Dg7 16.Dh5 Ce7 17.Fd3 Cf5 18.Th3 Cg3
>19.Df3 Cf5 20.Cxf8 Rxf8 21.Fxf5 exf5 22.Fe3 Cb6 23.Fxb6 axb6 24.Dxd5 Fe7 25.Txc3
>  ±  (1.22)   Profondeur: 22/63   09:44:57  13620417kN

Amazing...

Now let S8 find 11.h5 :-)

Ed

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