Author: Peter Kappler
Date: 23:30:56 05/09/00
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On May 09, 2000 at 22:02:06, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On May 09, 2000 at 11:58:35, Bruce Moreland wrote: > >>On May 08, 2000 at 13:31:02, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On May 08, 2000 at 11:10:51, blass uri wrote: >>> >>>>On May 08, 2000 at 10:37:54, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>><snipped> >>>>>Absolutely not. First, it would give Kasparov a chance to see how deep the >>>>>thing searches, how it extends. How it evaluates some positional >>>>>considerations. It would be a decided advantage for Kasparov had he had this >>>>>kind of information. Injecting it into the middle of the match would have >>>>>definitely tainted the results. >>>> >>>>If the machine is strong enough then knowing how deep the thing search and how >>>>it extends and how it evaluates positional considerations could not save >>>>kasparov from losing. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>> >>>No.. but if they are close in strength, it could be a deciding point for the >>>match. >> >>Looking at those printouts wouldn't have helped him a damned bit. >> >>This thread is a giant troll, isn't it? >> >>bruce > > >I totally disagree. I had an IM get a copy of Crafty, played it a bunch of >games offline, and 'learned' some things about how it evaluated (and >mis-evaluated) things. And then he returned to ICC and did much better against >Crafty (and its clones) than he should have. He later told me what he had >found, and how he had found it, and commented that "had the program not been >available so that I could play it, watch its analysis, see how it evaluated >various things, I could not have learned how to exploit certain weaknesses." > >I believe Kasparov could do that _far_ quicker than the IM did. He pointed >this out after match one. I would love to know how a program evaluates passed >pawns vs king safety, space vs center control, pawn structure vs piece mobility, >and so forth. I think it could be a decisive advantage if the player is already >strong enough to be a 'problem' for the computer. Kasparov would be a 'problem' >for _anybody_. The question was how much *looking at the printouts* would have helped Kasparov. Letting Kasparov play a bunch of offline test games against DB would *obviously* have been a huge advantage for Garry, but that's completely different than looking at some PVs and scores from one game. --Peter
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