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Subject: Re: Never Say "Impossible"

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 19:05:51 05/04/01

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On May 04, 2001 at 15:01:52, Jesper Antonsson wrote:

>On May 03, 2001 at 22:04:35, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>Neither of which help all that much.  Chess is an exponential process.  In
>>general, such problems are called "intractable" -- in other words, you can't
>>solve them.  In fact, this is the case with chess.  We can only approximate
>>solutions, which is usually good enough.
>[...]
>>If someone can invent a polynomial time chess algorithm, then chess could be
>>solved.  But I doubt if that will ever happen because chess is not a problem in
>>polynomial space.
>
>Well, I would say that in a formal computer science framework, you are wrong.
>Chess is clearly finite, and thus in polynomial space.

First, what makes it "finite"?  the 50-move rule is not absolute and both
players _can_ ignore it.

Second, a tree search such as minimax is already known (and proven) to be NP.
Since the tree size is represented as an exponential, N=W^D, where W is the
number of branches at any node and D is the depth of the tree, it is clearly
an exponential function where every additional iteration depth takes W times
as long as the previous one did.

> Of course, the number of
>nodes in the search tree is exponential in the tree depth, but *only* if you
>don't search deeply enough. (We will probably never be able to search deeply
>enough either, but that is beside the point.)
>
>Jesper Antonsson

If you make several assumptions, like 50-move rule is absolute, then the game
is finite and exponential.  However...  the 50-move rule can be ignored if the
players choose, which changes this a bit...

And then there is the 'practical' point of view of course...  even if it is
effectively finite, as is the number of atoms in the universe, it is practically
infinite...



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