Author: Amir Ban
Date: 15:21:27 05/17/04
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On May 17, 2004 at 00:32:18, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On May 15, 2004 at 03:15:20, Amir Ban wrote: > >> >>Make up your mind: Is crafty the menace that keeps everyone important from CCT >>or is CCT the all-inclusive tournament ? >> >>I don't understand why I should be scared of meeting crafty at CCT, but not >>scared of meeting it at WCCC. Crafty's been there in previous WCCC most of the >>time. > >I remember 1996/1997. And maybe one other event. That's 3 out of 10 maybe... > Say what ? I'm pretty sure I played against you in Maastricht 2001. I don't remember if I played you in London 2000, but you were there, operated by Graham Laight. >I don't believe the "scared" stuff. I'm not "scared" to play anybody. Heck, I >played Deep Thought, Belle, chess 4.x... That was part of the process. I doubt >any commercial programmer would be "scared". "worried" might well apply as >there are serious hardware platforms that can serve like the old Colt .45 >revolver of the wild-wild west. Often called "the great equalizer". :) > >I don't attend for simple reasons. > >1. Too expensive to travel to Europe every year. If it were in NA every other >year as the charter once demanded, I could at least make those as I always did >in the past, and occasionally make the ones in Europe. > >2. Too long. For the first 25 years these events were 5 rounds and 4 days >long. Now they stretch to two weeks. My only choice would be to make that a >family vacation, and it would have to be scheduled during two breaks that might >possibly be long enough for me to attend. But I don't see the ICCA (or anyone) >trying to work around one participant's schedule, it doesn't make much sense. >It would be easier to just shorten the event. Worst case could be 5 days, 2 >rounds per day, although that still turns into a week with travel days required >for international travel. > >3. Getting a local operator is a non-optimal solution. I can't do any book >updates. Seems like the ICCA is not very big on having local network access to >make that doable. The _right_ person to operate Crafty is me. I know the >program. I know what kind of book lines it will do ok in and what to avoid. >Due to _lots_ of experience. I can't give that experience to an operator >although the three I have used did pretty well. > So use a remote connection and do the book updates just like you do for CCT. Or discover the wonder of email attachments. >For now, my option is the CCT events. I can attend them. They don't cost a >fortune, and they are getting bigger and bigger. A couple of years will see >more commercial interest as the word will slowly "get around" and customers will >be asking "how did your product do in the cct-8 event?" for example. Once CCT >becomes better-known, avoiding it will become a marketing mistake. That time >will come. > > > >> >> >>>:) >>> >>> >>> >>>>It's not a major event. >>> >>> >>>Nonesense. 50 programs is a huge event. Much bigger than some expensive, >>>exclusive, back-yard barbecue at the ICGA. >>> >> >>There are thousands of players at Biel, only a dozen at Wijk an Zee. So what ? >>When was the last time Kasparov, Polgar, Anand played in Biel ? >> > >CCT is hardly like Biel. WCCC is hardly like Wijk an Zee, either. Although it >is giving it a run size-wise. :) > >You are _totally_ overlooking the _point_ of having WCCC events. They were >originally done to _promote_ computer chess interest and development around the >world. IE like the olympics. Not like professional football which is all about >winning and money... > >which does better as far as _promoting_ chess? Biel or Wijk? > I think Harry Potter did a much better job than either. But fine, you promote computer chess. The rest of us will concentrate on winning. As they say at the Olympics: The essential is not winning but participation. > > > > >> >>>No. If they thought they could win, they would show up. Remember? ;) >>> >>>Americans don't show up in Europe because it's expensive. Commercial European >>>projects don't show up at the FREE, no-expense CCT because they are chicken. >>> >>> >>>> >>>>CCT is a bit like Biel: crowded and noisy, with a few good players. But don't >>>>mistake Biel for Wijk an Zee. >>> >>>Programs don't care how much noise there is. Just come and play. You can't >>>stand it if bodo competes with you? I thought the Championship was open to all? >>> Oh, only those who are well-off to afford $2000 travel. >>> >> >>America is not a third-world country, and the problem with your argument is that >>it works even better for real third-world countries, i.e. that Tanzanian program >>would be the world's best, if only its author could afford to write it. > >I can only speak for myself, based on experience. You are confusing commercial >computer chess development with amateur development. You might consider it a >marketing plus to attend and hopefully do well, and consider it an investment in >advertising. Not to me. It is just a cost I'll never recoup. And beginners >see a cost they can neither recoup nor afford... > Speaking only for myself, the competition is much more important for me than commercial interest, which, unfortunately, doesn't go very far in this field. Amir
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