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Subject: If comps are only 2500-2600 then....

Author: Peter Hegger

Date: 15:54:54 02/03/03


...how is it that they now consistently play at the 2700-2800 level? Against
Kramnik (2810), against Bareev (2729), and now against Kasparov (2807), a
program is turning in a 2807 performance and very much _holding its own_
Calling any modern program a 2500 player is akin to calling the above mentioned
super GM's 2500 players.
It also looks to me as though the SSDF list is getting closer to the reality of
the true state of program prowess than (admittedly) it use to be.
Any comments welcome.
Regards,
Peter

Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Rolf Tueschen 16:05:27 02/03/03
- Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Joachim Rang 04:46:48 02/04/03
  - Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Rolf Tueschen 08:35:55 02/04/03
    - Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Joachim Rang 13:59:52 02/04/03
      - Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Rolf Tueschen 08:32:28 02/05/03
    - Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Chessfun 13:04:30 02/04/03
      - Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Rolf Tueschen 13:21:21 02/04/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Chessfun 15:20:31 02/04/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Albert Silver 04:40:11 02/05/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Rolf Tueschen 08:11:27 02/05/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Albert Silver 11:04:49 02/05/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Rolf Tueschen 12:14:14 02/05/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Uri Blass 12:38:20 02/05/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Robert Hyatt 10:10:19 02/06/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Rolf Tueschen 14:58:58 02/06/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Albert Silver 17:31:47 02/06/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) About GM Rolf Tueschen 04:59:57 02/07/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) About GM Albert Silver 06:11:24 02/07/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) About GM Rolf Tueschen 06:31:19 02/07/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) About GM Uri Blass 06:49:22 02/07/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) About GM Rolf Tueschen 07:23:01 02/07/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) About GM Uri Blass 07:37:47 02/07/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) About GM Rolf Tueschen 07:53:34 02/07/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) About GM Albert Silver 19:37:17 02/07/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) About GM Rolf Tueschen 01:44:21 02/08/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) About GM Albert Silver 04:50:07 02/08/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) About GM Rolf Tueschen 11:53:48 02/08/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) About GM Albert Silver 08:34:57 02/09/03
        
        Re: MODERATION Moderator commits character assassination Rolf Tueschen 09:27:31 02/09/03
        
        Re: MODERATION Moderator commits character assassination Albert Silver 04:36:14 02/10/03
        
        Re: MODERATION Moderator commits character assassination Rolf Tueschen 02:31:07 02/11/03
        
        Re: MODERATION Moderator commits character assassination Albert Silver 04:13:30 02/11/03
        
        Re: MODERATION Moderator commits character assassination Rolf Tueschen 04:36:07 02/11/03
        
        Re: MODERATION Moderator commits character assassination Albert Silver 05:12:00 02/11/03
        
        Re: MODERATION Moderator commits character assassination Rolf Tueschen 06:16:13 02/11/03
        
        Re: MODERATION Moderator commits character assassination Albert Silver 07:27:39 02/11/03
        
        Re: MODERATION Moderator commits character assassination Uri Blass 10:12:30 02/09/03
        
        Re: Solution of Rolf's Thesis for Uri (extremely difficult) Rolf Tueschen 12:47:59 02/09/03
        
        ?????? Bob Durrett 16:43:25 02/09/03
        
        Re: ?????? Albert Silver 04:42:06 02/10/03
        
        Re: ?????? Rolf Tueschen 06:08:03 02/10/03
        
        Re: ?????? Bob Durrett 18:20:44 02/10/03
        
        Re: Tournament chess is the key notion Rolf Tueschen 02:18:20 02/11/03
        
        Re: Tournament chess is the key notion Bob Durrett 06:53:58 02/11/03
        
        Re: Tournament chess is the key notion Rolf Tueschen 07:41:08 02/11/03
        
        Re: Easy entry - Rolf won the final against Brazil with 2-0 Rolf Tueschen 17:50:59 02/09/03
        
        Re: Easy entry - Rolf won the final against Brazil with 2-0 Bob Durrett 18:03:47 02/10/03
        
        Re: FIDE, opening books (in special eidetics revisited) Rolf Tueschen 02:53:08 02/11/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) About GM Uri Blass 05:29:34 02/07/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) About GM Rolf Tueschen 05:37:54 02/07/03
    - Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Peter Hegger 09:38:07 02/04/03
      - Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Rolf Tueschen 10:33:17 02/04/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Peter Hegger 17:42:54 02/04/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Rolf Tueschen 08:45:09 02/05/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Peter Hegger 10:20:04 02/05/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Rolf Tueschen 11:19:07 02/05/03
    - Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Peter Hegger 09:38:02 02/04/03
- Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Andreas Guettinger 02:51:17 02/04/03
  - Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Rolf Tueschen 03:40:16 02/04/03
    - Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Andreas Guettinger 12:54:32 02/04/03
      - Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Rolf Tueschen 13:49:01 02/04/03
        
        Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Andreas Guettinger 16:13:22 02/04/03
        
        Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Rolf Tueschen 09:02:31 02/05/03
        
        Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Andreas Guettinger 10:35:10 02/05/03
        
        Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Rolf Tueschen 11:23:40 02/05/03
        
        Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Chris Carson 10:20:56 02/05/03
        
        Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Rolf Tueschen 11:09:50 02/05/03
    - Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Uri Blass 05:21:26 02/04/03
      - Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Rolf Tueschen 06:12:12 02/04/03
        
        Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Chris Carson 10:10:57 02/04/03
        
        Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Dann Corbit 10:31:00 02/04/03
        
        Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Chris Carson 11:11:09 02/04/03
        
        Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Rolf Tueschen 12:25:46 02/04/03
        
        Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Chris Carson 13:24:48 02/04/03
        
        Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Dann Corbit 07:58:20 02/04/03
        
        Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Rolf Tueschen 08:52:36 02/04/03
        
        Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Dann Corbit 09:07:25 02/04/03
- Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Kurt Utzinger 22:42:21 02/03/03
  - Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Uri Blass 05:07:40 02/04/03
    - Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Kurt Utzinger 05:22:28 02/04/03
      - Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Chessfun 12:55:01 02/04/03
        
        Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Rolf Tueschen 13:25:12 02/04/03
        
        Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Chessfun 15:16:35 02/04/03
  - Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Rolf Tueschen 04:03:31 02/04/03
- Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Peter Hegger 17:56:58 02/03/03
  - Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Rolf Tueschen 04:20:46 02/04/03
  - Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Terry McCracken 21:41:34 02/03/03
- hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Peter McKenzie 16:45:29 02/03/03
  - Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Kurt Utzinger 22:53:20 02/03/03
    - Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Andreas Guettinger 02:37:58 02/04/03
      - Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Kurt Utzinger 02:57:20 02/04/03
        
        Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Rolf Tueschen 04:22:56 02/04/03
  - Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Will Singleton 20:28:21 02/03/03
    - Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Peter McKenzie 23:03:38 02/03/03
    - Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Terry McCracken 21:54:14 02/03/03
      - Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Janosch Zwerensky 00:17:25 02/04/03
        
        Re: Duty For Proof Rolf Tueschen 04:43:22 02/04/03
      - Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Michael Cummings 22:22:05 02/03/03
        
        Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Terry McCracken 09:31:39 02/05/03
    - Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Peter Kappler 21:39:05 02/03/03
      - Re: Difficulties Rolf Tueschen 05:05:21 02/04/03
        
        Re: Difficulties Peter Kappler 09:46:04 02/04/03
        
        Re: Difficulties Rolf Tueschen 11:57:05 02/04/03
      - Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Daniel Clausen 01:28:19 02/04/03
        
        Re: Evidence: The 4th game is a cheat! Rolf Tueschen 04:49:48 02/04/03
      - Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Will Singleton 22:53:38 02/03/03
  - Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Rolf Tueschen 16:50:00 02/03/03
- Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Sune Fischer 16:33:55 02/03/03
  - Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Rolf Tueschen 16:41:03 02/03/03
    - Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Sune Fischer 16:49:28 02/03/03
      - Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Rolf Tueschen 16:52:42 02/03/03
        
        Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Sune Fischer 17:42:01 02/03/03
        
        Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Wayne Lowrance 18:21:00 02/03/03
        
        Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Rolf Tueschen 05:27:02 02/04/03
        
        Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Sune Fischer 18:35:15 02/03/03
        
        Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Roy Brunjes 17:02:27 02/03/03
        
        Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Rolf Tueschen 05:30:20 02/04/03

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