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Subject: Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then....

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 16:05:27 02/03/03

On February 03, 2003 at 18:54:54, Peter Hegger wrote:

>
>...how is it that they now consistently play at the 2700-2800 level? Against
>Kramnik (2810), against Bareev (2729), and now against Kasparov (2807), a
>program is turning in a 2807 performance and very much _holding its own_
>Calling any modern program a 2500 player is akin to calling the above mentioned
>super GM's 2500 players.
>It also looks to me as though the SSDF list is getting closer to the reality of
>the true state of program prowess than (admittedly) it use to be.
>Any comments welcome.
>Regards,
>Peter

A pity that you do not read.   Show events are NOT a possible tool to calculate
the strength.   And hard competition doesn't exist.   That's it.   I still hold
that comps are 2400 at best in fierce tournament chess.


Rolf Tueschen

Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Joachim Rang 04:46:48 02/04/03
- Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Rolf Tueschen 08:35:55 02/04/03
  - Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Joachim Rang 13:59:52 02/04/03
    - Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Rolf Tueschen 08:32:28 02/05/03
  - Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Chessfun 13:04:30 02/04/03
    - Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Rolf Tueschen 13:21:21 02/04/03
      - Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Chessfun 15:20:31 02/04/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Albert Silver 04:40:11 02/05/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Rolf Tueschen 08:11:27 02/05/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Albert Silver 11:04:49 02/05/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Rolf Tueschen 12:14:14 02/05/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Uri Blass 12:38:20 02/05/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Robert Hyatt 10:10:19 02/06/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Rolf Tueschen 14:58:58 02/06/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Albert Silver 17:31:47 02/06/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) About GM Rolf Tueschen 04:59:57 02/07/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) About GM Albert Silver 06:11:24 02/07/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) About GM Rolf Tueschen 06:31:19 02/07/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) About GM Uri Blass 06:49:22 02/07/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) About GM Rolf Tueschen 07:23:01 02/07/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) About GM Uri Blass 07:37:47 02/07/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) About GM Rolf Tueschen 07:53:34 02/07/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) About GM Albert Silver 19:37:17 02/07/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) About GM Rolf Tueschen 01:44:21 02/08/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) About GM Albert Silver 04:50:07 02/08/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) About GM Rolf Tueschen 11:53:48 02/08/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) About GM Albert Silver 08:34:57 02/09/03
        
        Re: MODERATION Moderator commits character assassination Rolf Tueschen 09:27:31 02/09/03
        
        Re: MODERATION Moderator commits character assassination Albert Silver 04:36:14 02/10/03
        
        Re: MODERATION Moderator commits character assassination Rolf Tueschen 02:31:07 02/11/03
        
        Re: MODERATION Moderator commits character assassination Albert Silver 04:13:30 02/11/03
        
        Re: MODERATION Moderator commits character assassination Rolf Tueschen 04:36:07 02/11/03
        
        Re: MODERATION Moderator commits character assassination Albert Silver 05:12:00 02/11/03
        
        Re: MODERATION Moderator commits character assassination Rolf Tueschen 06:16:13 02/11/03
        
        Re: MODERATION Moderator commits character assassination Albert Silver 07:27:39 02/11/03
        
        Re: MODERATION Moderator commits character assassination Uri Blass 10:12:30 02/09/03
        
        Re: Solution of Rolf's Thesis for Uri (extremely difficult) Rolf Tueschen 12:47:59 02/09/03
        
        ?????? Bob Durrett 16:43:25 02/09/03
        
        Re: ?????? Albert Silver 04:42:06 02/10/03
        
        Re: ?????? Rolf Tueschen 06:08:03 02/10/03
        
        Re: ?????? Bob Durrett 18:20:44 02/10/03
        
        Re: Tournament chess is the key notion Rolf Tueschen 02:18:20 02/11/03
        
        Re: Tournament chess is the key notion Bob Durrett 06:53:58 02/11/03
        
        Re: Tournament chess is the key notion Rolf Tueschen 07:41:08 02/11/03
        
        Re: Easy entry - Rolf won the final against Brazil with 2-0 Rolf Tueschen 17:50:59 02/09/03
        
        Re: Easy entry - Rolf won the final against Brazil with 2-0 Bob Durrett 18:03:47 02/10/03
        
        Re: FIDE, opening books (in special eidetics revisited) Rolf Tueschen 02:53:08 02/11/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) About GM Uri Blass 05:29:34 02/07/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) About GM Rolf Tueschen 05:37:54 02/07/03
  - Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Peter Hegger 09:38:07 02/04/03
    - Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Rolf Tueschen 10:33:17 02/04/03
      - Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Peter Hegger 17:42:54 02/04/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Rolf Tueschen 08:45:09 02/05/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Peter Hegger 10:20:04 02/05/03
        
        Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Rolf Tueschen 11:19:07 02/05/03
  - Re: Rolf's Thesis (exact wording!) Peter Hegger 09:38:02 02/04/03
Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Andreas Guettinger 02:51:17 02/04/03
- Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Rolf Tueschen 03:40:16 02/04/03
  - Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Andreas Guettinger 12:54:32 02/04/03
    - Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Rolf Tueschen 13:49:01 02/04/03
      - Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Andreas Guettinger 16:13:22 02/04/03
        
        Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Rolf Tueschen 09:02:31 02/05/03
        
        Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Andreas Guettinger 10:35:10 02/05/03
        
        Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Rolf Tueschen 11:23:40 02/05/03
        
        Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Chris Carson 10:20:56 02/05/03
        
        Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Rolf Tueschen 11:09:50 02/05/03
  - Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Uri Blass 05:21:26 02/04/03
    - Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Rolf Tueschen 06:12:12 02/04/03
      - Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Chris Carson 10:10:57 02/04/03
        
        Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Dann Corbit 10:31:00 02/04/03
        
        Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Chris Carson 11:11:09 02/04/03
        
        Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Rolf Tueschen 12:25:46 02/04/03
        
        Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Chris Carson 13:24:48 02/04/03
      - Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Dann Corbit 07:58:20 02/04/03
        
        Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Rolf Tueschen 08:52:36 02/04/03
        
        Re: Why comps are no GM (Anti + Statistics) Dann Corbit 09:07:25 02/04/03
Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Kurt Utzinger 22:42:21 02/03/03
- Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Uri Blass 05:07:40 02/04/03
  - Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Kurt Utzinger 05:22:28 02/04/03
    - Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Chessfun 12:55:01 02/04/03
      - Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Rolf Tueschen 13:25:12 02/04/03
        
        Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Chessfun 15:16:35 02/04/03
- Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Rolf Tueschen 04:03:31 02/04/03
Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Peter Hegger 17:56:58 02/03/03
- Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Rolf Tueschen 04:20:46 02/04/03
- Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Terry McCracken 21:41:34 02/03/03
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Peter McKenzie 16:45:29 02/03/03
- Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Kurt Utzinger 22:53:20 02/03/03
  - Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Andreas Guettinger 02:37:58 02/04/03
    - Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Kurt Utzinger 02:57:20 02/04/03
      - Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Rolf Tueschen 04:22:56 02/04/03
- Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Will Singleton 20:28:21 02/03/03
  - Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Peter McKenzie 23:03:38 02/03/03
  - Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Terry McCracken 21:54:14 02/03/03
    - Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Janosch Zwerensky 00:17:25 02/04/03
      - Re: Duty For Proof Rolf Tueschen 04:43:22 02/04/03
    - Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Michael Cummings 22:22:05 02/03/03
      - Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Terry McCracken 09:31:39 02/05/03
  - Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Peter Kappler 21:39:05 02/03/03
    - Re: Difficulties Rolf Tueschen 05:05:21 02/04/03
      - Re: Difficulties Peter Kappler 09:46:04 02/04/03
        
        Re: Difficulties Rolf Tueschen 11:57:05 02/04/03
    - Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Daniel Clausen 01:28:19 02/04/03
      - Re: Evidence: The 4th game is a cheat! Rolf Tueschen 04:49:48 02/04/03
    - Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Will Singleton 22:53:38 02/03/03
- Re: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Rolf Tueschen 16:50:00 02/03/03
Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Sune Fischer 16:33:55 02/03/03
- Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Rolf Tueschen 16:41:03 02/03/03
  - Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Sune Fischer 16:49:28 02/03/03
    - Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Rolf Tueschen 16:52:42 02/03/03
      - Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Sune Fischer 17:42:01 02/03/03
        
        Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Wayne Lowrance 18:21:00 02/03/03
        
        Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Rolf Tueschen 05:27:02 02/04/03
        
        Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Sune Fischer 18:35:15 02/03/03
      - Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Roy Brunjes 17:02:27 02/03/03
        
        Re: If comps are only 2500-2600 then.... Rolf Tueschen 05:30:20 02/04/03

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