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Subject: Re: Ruffian 0.76 is still playing incredible strong!

Author: Ricardo Gibert

Date: 11:46:59 09/19/02

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On September 19, 2002 at 14:20:12, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On September 19, 2002 at 11:47:01, Sune Fischer wrote:
>>On September 19, 2002 at 11:24:49, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>The only thing that concerns me is that anytime a brand new and unheard-of
>>>engine pops up, it is cause for concern _and_ suspicion.  It might be perfectly
>>>legitimate, who knows.  But remember "voyager", "le petite", "bionic impact",
>>>"gunda" and others?
>>>Jumping way up to near the front of the pack is not easy.  Doing it without
>>>ever having been to a public event is even more unlikely.
>>>It would be interesting to examine the executable if anyone has a copy, to
>>>avoid the suspicions before they start to grow...
>>That suspicion is natural, but if this engine really is that strong, then he
>>must have improved a lot on Crafty or whatever code he used.
>>There has been many Crafty clones, but no one actually stronger than Crafty
>>AFAIK, so Ruffian is really not your average clone in that case.
>It depends.  IE on any given day, crafty can beat anybody, or be beaten by
>anybody.  Look at the results for "Le Petite".  It looked very strong.  Yet
>it was an absolute copy...
>>But apart from that, have you ever really gone over all the open source programs
>>out there, and what about the CCC archives? There is plenty of information
>>available to build a mighty strong engine. I don't think it could be done in 6
>>months, but who knows how much time he spent on it, hopefully it was a good
>>decade ;)
>That's the point.  I can't imagine someone working on an engine, in a vacuum,
>for a decade, before anyone finds out about it.  I can't imagine anyone writing
>a program in 6 months that would come close to beating _any_ top program.
>Anything is possible, I will agree.  But the probability is so low that it
>will make people wonder...

I hope you realize that you have essentially *publicly* leveled an accusation
without presenting any evidence. I would prefer in such cases that either an
investigation be conducted discretely or a wait and see policy be followed.

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