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Subject: Re: 99 Summer update. (Chess Tal - Hiarcs 2-0)

Author: James T. Walker

Date: 19:22:25 08/17/99

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On August 17, 1999 at 17:53:06, Thorsten Czub wrote:

>On August 17, 1999 at 15:22:50, James T. Walker wrote:
>
>> In the second game at move 78 CST-2 had a KQP vs KR. Easy win (I don't have the
>>tablebase for that ending or it would have been).  Hiarcs had 43 seconds to make
>>the time control (2 more moves) and CST-2 had more than 5 minutes(Forget
>>exactly). Anyway, with only one move to go and CST-2 has 4:13 to make one move
>>it runs out of time!?  So it should have been 1-1 but ended up 2-0 for Hiarcs.
>>I hate this problem of CST-2 more than any other problem it has.  By the way,
>>Hiarcs was running on a PII-333 and CST-2 was running on a K6-3-450.  It was
>>interesting enough that I will try again (Maybe I'll get some more tablebases
>>first).
>>Jim Walker
>
>I have never seen CSTal2 lose because it ran out of time.
>it seems to be an autoplayer problem. I could guess in the 78 moves
>cstal lost maybe 5 minutes on operator-time and this is excatly the
>5 minutes hiarcs' clock complained about.
>Whatever - you can (complain and) send the game to oxford-softworks. if chris
>comes back from holiday, he can work on it. But - i don't think there is
>a bug in the time control management.
>thank you.

Pardon me, but your answer is absolutely silly.  There is no "Operator time" in
auto232 games.  CSTal-2 keeps it's own time and ran out of time on it's own
clock.  I would never score a win for one program because the other program said
it ran out of time.  In auto232 games the time lost is always charged to the
opponent but there is NO claim of victory by the other computer.  They continue
to play the game untill the end or human intervention stops them.  I stopped the
game because CSTal-2 by it's own clock ran over the time control by about 20
seconds.  This is a common problem with CSTal-2 and one that is most hated by
me.  It loses games on ICC for the same reason.  It knows what the time is but
continues to search anyway.  If you have never seen this happen then you have
not seen many games by CSTal-2.  This is the first time I have seen it at 40/2
but I have only played two games at 40/2.  Usually it only does this when the
game is a close struggle.  This is one of the few times I've seen it do this
when easily winning.
Jim Walker



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