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Subject: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ?

Author: Jorge Pichard

Date: 06:06:02 08/18/02

   Kasparov proved that he can defeat programs at fast time controls when he
defeated Deep Thought in a game/90 two games match in 1989. This program was
weaker than Deep Junior is today, as it searched well over 2,000,000 NPS, but
didn't have as much chess knowledge as Deep Junior.  He also defeated Deep Blue
in 1996. This program is obviously much faster than Deep Junior is today, but in
my opinion Deep Junior still has more chess knowledge than Deep Blue had back in
1996.

PS: It is hard to compare Deep Blue of 1997 vs Deep Junior of today, but in my
opinion Deep Junior Chess Knowledge could make up for the difference of Deep
Blue super calculating power of 1997.

Pichard.

Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Keith Ian Price 12:10:15 08/19/02
Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? William H Rogers 10:27:49 08/19/02
Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Omid David 12:42:34 08/18/02
- Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 20:22:24 08/18/02
  - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Omid David 05:28:47 08/19/02
    - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 08:22:14 08/19/02
Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Gian-Carlo Pascutto 12:08:49 08/18/02
- Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Vincent Diepeveen 18:15:47 08/18/02
  - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 18:48:08 08/18/02
    - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Vincent Diepeveen 04:12:16 08/20/02
      - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 14:56:42 08/20/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Vincent Diepeveen 04:58:52 08/21/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 11:02:09 08/21/02
        
        razoring in crafty version 16.9, mid 1999 Vincent Diepeveen 05:20:07 08/21/02
        
        Re: razoring in crafty version 16.9, mid 1999 Robert Hyatt 11:03:57 08/21/02
        
        Re: razoring in crafty version 16.9, mid 1999 Gian-Carlo Pascutto 13:28:10 08/21/02
        
        Re: razoring in crafty version 16.9, mid 1999 Robert Hyatt 15:01:06 08/21/02
        
        Re: razoring in crafty version 16.9, mid 1999 Gian-Carlo Pascutto 02:26:45 08/22/02
        
        Re: razoring in crafty version 16.9, mid 1999 Robert Hyatt 08:13:46 08/22/02
        
        Re: razoring in crafty version 16.9, mid 1999 Gian-Carlo Pascutto 09:43:47 08/22/02
        
        Re: razoring in crafty version 16.9, mid 1999 Robert Hyatt 11:17:27 08/22/02
        
        Re: razoring in crafty version 16.9, mid 1999 Vincent Diepeveen 12:18:02 08/21/02
        
        Re: razoring in crafty version 16.9, mid 1999 Robert Hyatt 15:02:21 08/21/02
        
        Re: razoring in crafty version 16.9, mid 1999 Tony Werten 00:48:59 08/22/02
        
        Re: razoring in crafty version 16.9, mid 1999 Robert Hyatt 08:16:42 08/22/02
        
        Re: razoring in crafty version 16.9, mid 1999 Vincent Diepeveen 19:02:26 08/21/02
        
        Re: razoring in crafty version 16.9, mid 1999 Robert Hyatt 20:15:33 08/21/02
        
        razoring in crafty Vincent Diepeveen 05:13:46 08/21/02
- Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Terry McCracken 13:48:59 08/18/02
Kramnik thinks so and of course he's soooo much stronger than Fischer... Stuzzi Kadent 10:03:57 08/18/02
- Re: Kramnik thinks so and of course he's soooo much stronger than Fische Gian-Carlo Pascutto 11:52:26 08/18/02
  - Re: Kramnik thinks so and of course he's soooo much stronger than Fische Omid David 12:44:50 08/18/02
Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Chris Taylor 08:31:54 08/18/02
- Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Vincent Diepeveen 09:41:58 08/18/02
  - Well said Vincent Mark Schreiber 21:42:41 08/18/02
  - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 19:30:26 08/18/02
    - Re: with text, this time :-) martin fierz 20:39:45 08/18/02
      - Re: with text, this time :-) Robert Hyatt 08:24:18 08/19/02
        
        Re: with text, this time :-) martin fierz 15:39:34 08/19/02
        
        Re: with text, this time :-) Robert Hyatt 19:52:50 08/19/02
        
        Re: with text, this time :-) Mike S. 20:54:40 08/19/02
        
        Re: with text, this time :-) martin fierz 21:59:33 08/19/02
        
        Re: with text, this time :-) martin fierz 20:52:52 08/19/02
        
        Re: with text, this time :-) Robert Hyatt 20:59:13 08/19/02
        
        Re: with text, this time :-) Vincent Diepeveen 04:09:39 08/20/02
        
        Re: with text, this time :-) martin fierz 02:06:14 08/21/02
        
        Re: with text, this time :-) Robert Hyatt 10:25:46 08/20/02
        
        Re: with text, this time :-) Uri Blass 07:03:20 08/20/02
        
        Re: with text, this time :-) martin fierz 22:03:48 08/19/02
        
        Re: with text, this time :-) Mike S. 00:38:29 08/20/02
        
        Re: with text, this time :-) martin fierz 01:57:47 08/20/02
        
        Re: with text, this time :-) Dann Corbit 00:41:39 08/20/02
        
        Re: with text, this time :-) Uri Blass 01:26:52 08/20/02
        
        Re: with text, this time :-) Mike S. 01:41:46 08/20/02
        
        Re: with text, this time :-) Mike S. 01:24:30 08/20/02
        
        Re: with text, this time :-) Roy Eassa 07:48:17 08/21/02
        
        Re: with text, this time :-) Dann Corbit 01:41:35 08/20/02
        
        Re: retrocomputed elo are meaningless!? martin fierz 02:08:33 08/20/02
        
        Re: retrocomputed elo are meaningless!? Dann Corbit 11:19:05 08/20/02
        
        Re: retrocomputed elo are meaningless!? martin fierz 13:01:59 08/20/02
        
        Re: with text, this time :-) Uri Blass 01:39:36 08/20/02
        
        Re: with text, this time :-) martin fierz 02:03:36 08/20/02
        
        Re: with text, this time :-) Mike S. 01:46:46 08/20/02
        
        Re: with text, this time :-) Uri Blass 02:57:11 08/20/02
        
        Re: with text, this time :-) Albert Silver 15:22:18 08/20/02
        
        Re: with text, this time :-) Dann Corbit 15:52:29 08/20/02
        
        Re: with text, this time :-) Albert Silver 16:13:38 08/20/02
        
        Re: with text, this time :-) Uri Blass 22:29:38 08/19/02
        
        Re: with text, this time :-) martin fierz 02:11:12 08/20/02
    - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? martin fierz 20:31:55 08/18/02
  - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? José Carlos 12:27:44 08/18/02
    - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Vincent Diepeveen 17:44:17 08/18/02
      - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 19:38:46 08/18/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Vincent Diepeveen 04:21:02 08/20/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 10:28:35 08/20/02
    - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Jonas Cohonas 14:09:08 08/18/02
      - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Vincent Diepeveen 17:47:58 08/18/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 19:34:04 08/18/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Vincent Diepeveen 04:26:53 08/20/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 10:30:09 08/20/02
  - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Uri Blass 11:08:29 08/18/02
    - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Vincent Diepeveen 17:50:03 08/18/02
Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Vincent Diepeveen 08:08:37 08/18/02
- Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Uri Blass 13:17:34 08/18/02
  - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Vincent Diepeveen 18:21:52 08/18/02
    - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Uri Blass 18:55:06 08/18/02
      - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 19:41:12 08/18/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Uri Blass 20:05:35 08/18/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 20:24:33 08/18/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Uri Blass 20:33:02 08/18/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 08:25:17 08/19/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Uri Blass 07:14:57 08/20/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 10:34:10 08/20/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Uri Blass 10:41:13 08/20/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 14:58:05 08/20/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Matthew Hull 12:26:36 08/20/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Uri Blass 14:16:41 08/20/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 14:59:41 08/20/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Chris Carson 13:29:48 08/20/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Matthew Hull 15:44:45 08/20/02
Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 07:38:19 08/18/02
- Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Chris Carson 09:48:02 08/18/02
  - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? martin fierz 15:44:12 08/19/02
    - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Chris Carson 16:02:06 08/19/02
      - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? martin fierz 17:01:02 08/19/02
  - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 18:51:35 08/18/02
    - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Chris Carson 06:12:31 08/19/02
      - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 08:27:15 08/19/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Chris Carson 10:36:49 08/19/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 14:12:05 08/19/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Chris Carson 14:44:36 08/19/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 19:55:28 08/19/02
    - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Uri Blass 19:05:53 08/18/02
      - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 20:11:05 08/18/02
  - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Gian-Carlo Pascutto 11:50:19 08/18/02
    - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Chris Carson 14:57:11 08/18/02
      - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 18:56:05 08/18/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Mark Schreiber 21:29:06 08/18/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 08:29:47 08/19/02
    - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? martin fierz 13:48:46 08/18/02
      - Re: Pay more respect to other's opinions , please. Otello Gnaramori 14:10:50 08/18/02
        
        Re: Pay more respect to other's opinions , please. martin fierz 20:48:59 08/18/02
        
        Re: Pay more respect to other's opinions , please. Otello Gnaramori 01:00:29 08/19/02
        
        Re: Pay more respect to other's opinions , please. martin fierz 01:32:10 08/19/02
- Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Uri Blass 07:54:25 08/18/02
  - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 19:01:26 08/18/02
  - karpov - deep thought Vincent Diepeveen 08:13:20 08/18/02
    - Re: karpov - deep thought Robert Hyatt 19:03:47 08/18/02
    - Re: karpov - deep thought Slater Wold 13:18:27 08/18/02
      - Re: karpov - deep thought Vincent Diepeveen 17:50:37 08/18/02
        
        Re: karpov - deep thought allan johnson 18:37:06 08/18/02
Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Uri Blass 06:34:05 08/18/02
Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Uri Blass 06:25:39 08/18/02

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